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Watching this makes me feel sorry for Joe Biden. Joe who?
I wish people of multiple economic and ethnic backgrounds had been interviewed. I bet the results would be the same.
I fear that many people can only think on an iconic level. They vote for names and images, not ideas. They know more about celebrities and sports teams than their rulers.
Such ignorance is a luxury only possible under a benevolent government. In a totalitarian state, the whim of the leader determines life or death. Is Big Brother for or against Eurasia today? One had better know ... or else. Comply or die.
Posted by: Amritas at October 15, 2008 09:31 AM (+nV09)
Posted by: Sarah at October 15, 2008 10:21 AM (TWet1)
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I really enjoyed this, and was gleeful, but would venture to say that these were soundbites from about 15 interviews they did, where perhaps only these 3 gave such responses, and the other 12 were perhaps a little bug-eyed and said not such nice things to the interviewer.
Lols...I especially loved the support that Palin got from them...that was sweet!
I would also venture to say that there are many who aren't voting for Obama merely because he is black...and I am not talking about Republicans...I think there are a few Dems who fit that bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs&eurl=http://thatbeegirl.blogspot.com/
Far more telling to me was when Penn and Teller's people got those 400+ signatures at the enviromentalist rally in Washington in support of banning water. That was truely pack ignorance mentality.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at October 15, 2008 11:14 AM (irIko)
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CaliValleyGirl,
I agree that the Obama-Palin supporters were probably cherry-picked out of a larger sample.
If one looked around, one might find McCain supporters in favor of cutting taxes for 95% of working families and VP Joe Biden.
That YouTube clip is depressing and disgusting. Sadly, there are probably McCain voters who "think" like that.
H2O must go? Sign me up!
Posted by: Amritas at October 15, 2008 12:36 PM (+nV09)
I WISH I KNEW HOW TO QUIT YOU
All my hiatus has done is remove the outlet for my thoughts; it hasn't slowed down the thought process or made me able to ignore the news. So I'm sitting here, itching to blog, and I realized that my moratorium is self-imposed and all I need to do to blog is just log in.
A few links for tonight:
A comment from Varifrank on Vodkapundit's post about the danger of a Democrat president plus a Democrat Congress:
Be careful “Benjamin”, if “comrade napoleon” discovers that you are causing dissent amongst all the animals here on the farm, he will deal with you as surely as he has dealt with “Boxer”.
Ok, now that the animal farm parable is out of the way, I can continue my response in the right context.
A question to all - How many of us already feel that its simply too dangerous to our homes to display a McCain/Palin sign on the front lawn or a bumper sticker on our car? How many of us dare not speak against “Comrade Napoleon” or his ilk while we are at work for fear of repercussions to our careers?
Ok, now which of us thinks that after the election is over that it will all suddenly become calm and business like with respect for all from those who are victorious against those of us who have lost?
Right. Just as I thought.
Also, a post at Cold Fury, suggesting that I oughtn't take that pledge to respect an Obama presidency. Interesting reading.
And I'm making my way through the comments at Dr. Helen's post about when it might be appropriate to "go John Galt."
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You know how I feel about the current occupant of the White House. I give my respect NOT to the man, because that would not be possible for me, but to the OFFICE that he holds. If you can't do that... you have a problem if he wins, don't you?
LAW
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I was going to write a comment about how much I love your blogging, Sarah, but that I completely understand how walking away from it for a while can be a good thing. I think the trick is not to actually DECIDE not to blog. Just don't do it if you don't feel like it. That way there is no pressure to blog when you don't want to, and if you do feel like blogging you don't have to explain why you are breaking your self-imposed hiatus.
But then I read liberal army wife's comment and couldn't resist -- please forgive me. I would have a real problem showing respect to a man who said our troops COULD NOT win in Iraq and who, if he had his way, would have pulled them out in defeat two years ago, and who cannot even to this day admit that he was wrong about the surge. What is there to respect? That the financial markets collapsed and made people forget about national security and so many of the issues I believe are of utmost importance, allowing him to regain his lead in the polls? Respect the fact that an inexperienced, arrogant man was able to bamboozle (his words) enough people into thinking he had ever done anything in his life besides game the Chicago machine and align himself with the likes of Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers and ACORN? Respect the man whose followers are doing everything they can to silence anyone who disagrees with him? Show me something to respect and I will respect it. I am not going to be saying or doing the horrible stuff those on the left have said and done to President Bush for the past eight years, but respect is something that is earned and in my mind convincing people to vote for someone they really know so little about falls way short of earning my respect.
Posted by: Lorie Byrd at October 14, 2008 07:02 PM (vBoqv)
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Lorie -- Well, the goofy thing about LAW's comment is that the post I referenced was actually my pledge to respect the presidency, even if I can't respect the man. I already said that I can do that. So I don't really understand her snark anyway. But I rarely do...
But Lorie, it's always good to hear from you.
Posted by: Sarah at October 15, 2008 02:15 AM (TWet1)
4I am not going to be saying or doing the horrible stuff those on the left have said and done to President Bush for the past eight years
That's such an excellent point. And it's something to consider because it's true for most people.
Posted by: airforcewife at October 15, 2008 03:10 AM (mIbWn)
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Yes, reading comprehension is important...to some. Lorie's & AFW's comments hit the mark for me as did your previous posts, Sarah, regarding what happens once someone becomes President.
I'll stop there.
It's best for all if I do.
Posted by: Guard Wife at October 15, 2008 03:35 AM (eb8pN)
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The question is why do you wish you knew how to quit? You are a great blogger, your thoughts get honed and become more precise as you blog. I think it is a great thing for you right now. Even though you are starting a job you will still have a great deal of alone time to think and blog. When you become a mother you will find it very easy to sit and rock instead of blog. But you will still have all your thoughts on what is going on. Right now we appreciate your sharing your thoughts with us.
Posted by: Ruth H at October 15, 2008 04:44 AM (wWMQq)
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I just have to say that I was secretly hoping you'd break your hiatus & I'd see a new post... :-) Thanks! :-)
But absolutely no pressure when there's nothing to blog about or no time to do it... sometimes a break is okay! :-) Right now, there's a TON of stuff I would love to get out of my head, and blogging is how I do that. But since our main PC is down, I'm having to just let these thoughts rattle around and then - ideally - run out my ears or something. I guess.
Anyway, welcome back, and have a nice, no-pressure week! :-)
Oh - and more on-topic, yeah, I've been afraid to openly display political signs, opinions, etc. for years now - and I'm in a state that generally agrees with me!
Posted by: kannie at October 15, 2008 06:16 AM (f+LJo)
8I WISH I KNEW HOW TO QUIT YOU
I hope you never know how. it hasn't slowed down the thought process or made me able to ignore the news.
You can stop blogging, but you can't stop thinking. Share your thoughts whenever you're willing. You make me think, and that can only be a good thing.
Posted by: Amritas at October 15, 2008 07:55 AM (+nV09)
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Muah-ha-ha-ha *evil laugh*...well, it's like the Godfather right? We just pull you right back in again, huh?
Well, what I have to say about respecting the office not the man is this: if anyone is under the impression that merely by having Obama as president will win our respect in the world, they are sadly wrong. I have lived outside of the US during the presidencies of Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. and I always, always always had to defend the POTUS from their snide remarks. I defended Clinton glady, because he was an American, and I sure as $hit wasn't going to have some German or French person talking smack about him, while I never lashed my tongue out at Chirac or Schroeder like they did at Clinton and Bush.
I respect the "sovereignty" of that office (meaning, once the guy gets there, he is there...and "it is what it is"). But I agree with Lorie Byrd about respect being earned. And so far, I don't find much to respect about Obama.
My respect for McCain is rather limited as well: POW and his support for the surge even if it cost him the presidency. There are other things in his behavior and life that I find rather distasteful.
I think both VP candidates do a much better job of garnering my respect than their presidential counterparts.
And although I feel like I am living in Atlas Shrugged, I could never go totally John Galt, I just love America and working too much!
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at October 15, 2008 09:36 AM (irIko)
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God help us, indeed, if the system gets so far gone that enough people do a 'John Galt'. I hope we don't get that far.
By the way - my husband has never read Atlas Shrugged. So this weekend, I made the comment about people doing a John Galt, and then had to explain the whole thing to him. He may never read it, but he got the concept immediately. He (we) just bought a business this year, and the financial situation has already had an impact on it. We have much to think about, but we're not going anywhere yet.
Posted by: Barb at October 15, 2008 11:03 AM (iaV9O)
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Aside from the Bible, Atlas Shrugged is my favorite book.
Posted by: HomefrontSix at October 15, 2008 10:30 PM (4Es1w)
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I'm with Mom. But we will cut you a little slack for a week, or less ;D
Posted by: Ruth H at October 11, 2008 05:15 PM (Q9qq1)
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Always listen to your Mom. There might be hundreds of thousands of us out here. I lurked for months before I finally left a comment. And if you have a counter that totals your daily hits as anything less than awesome, it's not working properly.
Posted by: Pamela at October 11, 2008 07:19 PM (/IgGp)
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PS....enjoy your time off. Come back rested, refreshed, renewed and ready to continue the good fight.
Posted by: Pamela at October 11, 2008 07:21 PM (/IgGp)
Posted by: MaryIndiana at October 12, 2008 07:06 AM (SRyvm)
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Hi, Hope you are enjoying your week off & trip to TX. It is always helpful to take a break & get refreshed, I just came back from a trip to CO Springs. Please don't stop blogging I enjoy reading your blog and would miss your updates.
Posted by: MN NG Wife at October 12, 2008 10:32 AM (tRNAR)
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I'm one of those hundreds of thousands of lurkers (and fellow Army wife) who was sad to read that you are taking a break from blogging. To echo what everyone else has said, your mom is right. Yours is on the short list of blogs I read daily, and so though I hope you enjoy a break, hopefully you are back soon =).
Posted by: sweetestsass at October 12, 2008 11:05 AM (R+iLG)
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I am a proud member of the 300... Take your break, but know we will still be looking for your return... You are one of my earliest regular reads!
Posted by: jck at October 12, 2008 02:20 PM (d6k/G)
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You are indeed awesome. Perhaps your readership makes up in quality what it lacks in quantity.
Posted by: david foster at October 12, 2008 03:37 PM (ke+yX)
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Sarah -
I'll miss you. I check in every day.
On the other hand...I understand.
Hoping you keep on writing, but getting it if you don't
One of your original blog buddies....
Tim
Posted by: Tim Fitzgerald at October 12, 2008 04:13 PM (rASAT)
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did i just hear john mccain say he was going to whip a black man?
Posted by: Will at October 12, 2008 09:14 PM (FE/9Y)
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OMG! I'm one of the 300!
haOOH! haOOOH! haOOOH!
Posted by: airforcewife at October 13, 2008 06:23 AM (mIbWn)
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You can't quit!! All the plants are going to die!!!
Posted by: Tom at October 13, 2008 09:28 AM (lgq5k)
Posted by: Mary at October 13, 2008 07:50 PM (3k4VW)
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Blast it, Tom. You beat me to the quote I was going to use...
Posted by: Patrick Chester at October 14, 2008 07:10 AM (MOvul)
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I look forward to your blogging too, even though (sadly?) I am an inveterate lurker.
For what it's worth, your blog helped in a challenging time when then friend and now hubby was in Iraq.
Posted by: Eowyn at October 15, 2008 01:59 AM (e1nid)
16"Um, try like 300 people."
300 Spartans?
I'm proud to be one of them!
And I'm so glad you're back!
Posted by: Amritas at October 15, 2008 07:29 AM (+nV09)
FRAMERS
The Mrs has a neat post about what she'd do to change the Constitution. In it, she quotes Thomas Jefferson on his irritation with how people were interpreting the "promote the general welfare" phrase. I have never thought about that before, that the framers lived to see argument over what their words meant. Would that we could ask Jefferson a few more questions today...
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SUCKER FOR ADVERTISING
I am the absolute worst sucker for food advertising. A pizza commercial comes on, and I want pizza. I see a Blizzard on TV, and I want one. It's become a running joke in our household that if there's food on TV, I will want it.
I just watched last night's South Park, and I immediately had a craving for Chinese food. I had to google to even find a restaurant around here.
Mmmm, that was a good treat.
Good thing this only works on me for food; otherwise, I'd be at the Tahiti Village timeshare or tangled up in a Bow-Flex. And working for T. Boone Pickins.
But these were not the great causes. Neither party has clean hands. Or rather, both parties have dirty hands. Here is the truth, spoken by the increasingly impressive Sen. Tom Coburn: "The root of the problem is political greed in Congress. Members . . . from both parties wanted short-term political credit for promoting homeownership even though they were putting our entire economy at risk by encouraging people to buy homes they couldn't afford. Then, instead of conducting thorough oversight and correcting obvious problems with unstable entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, members of Congress chose to . . . distract themselves with unprecedented amounts of pork-barrel spending." That is the truth.
And yet at the debate, when one citizen-questioner invited both candidates to think aloud about the responsibility of our representatives in Washington, they both gently suggested she was cynical.
She was not cynical. She was informed.
Why would anyone trust either candidate to help dig us out of this if they can't speak frankly about what got us into it?
The biggest problem though isn't the candidates, it's the populace. Article II of the US Constitution, dealing with the powers of the presidency, is only a page long. In there, you will find nothing about tax reform, health care, retirement management, economic stabilization, hope, change, or straight talk.
We, the people, have lost our sense of direction. Instead of thinking about the president simply as someone who represents us on the national scene, we think of him or her as our leader which was never supposed to be the case.
The office is practically a figurehead, yet those around us treat it like an elected dictator, always giving the office more power to 'save us from ourselves'.
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I am glad Coburn and Noonan don't single out the Democrats instead of pretending Our Side Can Do No Wrong. Denial is dishonor.
I trust neither candidate. Nor do I trust our political class as a whole. Count me among the 59%:
http://jameshudnall.com/blog.php/site/comments/throw_the_bums_out/
Yeah, I know it's not going to happen. Instead, I fear we'll see more demand for 'leaders'.
Brecht said,
"Unglücklich das Land, das Helden nötig hat."
Unfortunate is the country that needs heroes.
I would paraphrase it as
Unfortunate is the country that needs leaders.
A free people does not need a leader to save them from themselves.
Posted by: Amritas at October 10, 2008 06:39 AM (+nV09)
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“Neither party has clean hands.”
Bullsh*t!!! This mantra is just a way to deflect the overwhelming evidence that the Democrats are responsible for enacting the legislation, (Pres. Carter), enforcing it, (Pres. Clinton), and people like Barney Franks who fought against reform.
Yes, letÂ’s not mention McCain attempts to do something and most definitely mention Pres. BushÂ’s most numerous attempts to straighten the situation out.
No letÂ’s just blame everyone and then we wonÂ’t bother placing the guilt where it belongs.
“The office is practically a figurehead…”,
Yes, the President of the United States is a figure head. Please, silly doesnÂ’t begin to explain that remark.
“…yet those around us treat it like an elected dictator, always giving the office more power to 'save us from ourselves'.”
Yes, that’s what we Conservatives are always preaching, ‘Please help us, we need MORE government’.
Posted by: tim at October 10, 2008 08:03 AM (nno0f)
IT MAKES ME LIKE HIM EVEN MORE
Last night I was thinking about how everyone loves positive reinforcement. How even us hardened jerks like to hear that we're not all bad.
So I sent Neal Boortz an email.
I briefly said that I enjoy his show, that I took some heat for agreeing with him on voting, and that I was simply emailing to give him some positive feedback, which I'm sure he gets little of. I just wanted him to know that not everyone hates him.
His contact page says, "I probably won't answer your email. I rarely answer any emails. We get over 2000 a day ... do the math. Web Guy and Cristina will forward intelligent messages to me. If you're writing in to tell me you hate me, that's fine."
But he wrote me back. How awesome is that?
Even Neal Boortz has a soft spot for a compliment.
VOTER FRAUD
Ruth H was right in her comment saying that she will have a hard time accepting Obama as her president since there has been so much voter fraud. I too am dumbfounded at the shenanigans that have been uncovered and the general apathy towards it. Rachel Lucas has the scoop.
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Maybe it's not so much apathy as ignorance. One can't be outraged about what one doesn't know. Most people don't read Rachel Lucas. They are only exposed to ... you know who:
"95% of Americans will never even know about it because Katie Couric and Jon Stewart sure as hell wonÂ’t be talking about it"
- Rachel Lucas
Posted by: Amritas at October 09, 2008 03:53 PM (HWSu7)
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Next we’ll being hearing how “both parties” do this.
No?!? HmmmÂ…I wonder why that isÂ…?
Posted by: tim at October 10, 2008 08:06 AM (nno0f)
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Yeah, I'm with Deltasierra. Acorn was part of the problem here with the gubernatorial election 4 years ago. We all thought Rossi had won, then Gregoire and her cronies decided to sue the pants off of them and recount (multiple times) until the Republicans ran out of money and gave up. In the end they declared Gregoire the winner by something like 147 votes. Wonder how many of those votes were Acorn-submitted. We'll never find out. I do know that there were a number of Acorn people arrested here for voter fraud in that election, but whether or not the results of their actions were straightened out, I don't know.
I can't believe that people think they can (and do!) get away with this kind of BS. I'm just glad the investigations into Acorn practices this time around are starting before the election and not after its already over.
Posted by: Emily at October 14, 2008 08:54 AM (jAos7)
RED DAWN
When my husband got online yesterday, I had just read this ridiculous article at Slate about how, if they remake Red Dawn, they better remake it with the Americans as the bad guys and Iraqis as the Wolverines. Husband's sarcasm meter went to eleven:
Husband says:
I don't remember the Wolverines kidnapping people for ransom and executing people in other religious sects
Sarah says:
yeah
Husband says:
or making videos where they behead Russian soldiers
Husband says:
I also don't remember the Soviets rebuilding hospitals in Colorado or training a new American army and giving them classes on human rights and proper detainee handling procedures
Husband says:
not like we're giving previously oppressed religious and ethnic minorities a voice in their government or anything
Husband says:
because I'm sure the Russians had their doctors assisting Georgians in hospitals and buying books for schools
THE LITTLE THINGS
I'm concerned about the little things that reveal Obama. Thomas Sowell explains why the little things matter:
Seemingly unrelated things can give important insights into someone's outlook and character. For example, after the Cold War was over, it came out that one of the things that caught the attention of Soviet leaders early on was President Ronald Reagan's breaking of the air traffic controllers' strike.
Why were the Soviets concerned about a purely domestic American issue like an air traffic controllers' strike? Why was their attention not confined to "the real issues" between the United States and the Soviet Union?
Because one of the biggest and realest of all issues is the outlook and character of the President of the United States.
It would be hard to imagine any of Ronald Reagan's predecessors over the previous several decades-- whether Republicans or Democrats-- who would have broken a nationwide strike instead of caving in to the union's demands.
This told the Soviet leaders what Reagan was made of, even before he got up and walked out of the room during negotiations with Mikhail Gorbachev. That too let the Soviet leaders know that they were not dealing with Jimmy Carter any more.
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Presidents are living symbols of America. So it's no wonder that we obsess over what may seem to be minutiae. They ideally embody what we want our nation to be, down to the last detail.
It would be interesting to read Sowell's column alongside a column by a Obama supporter listing the little things that reveal McCain.
When I read Sowell's column, the comment right below it was titled "Sowell for President". Right on. Sowell embodies my America.
He and Joanne Jacobs were my favorite columnists in the local papers years ago. Joanne now blogs, but Sowell hasn't made the digital leap yet. It's a shame, because I'd love to see what's on his mind every day.
Oh well, back to reality ...
Posted by: Amritas at October 08, 2008 08:08 AM (+nV09)
HILARIOUS
If Mark Steyn had gone to jail, I would've become his lovesick penpal.
The point is not that President-designate Obama is a "close friend" of the unrepentant Ayers, or that he was only eight when his patron was building bombs to kill the women of New Jersey. As Joe Biden would no doubt point out on his entertaining "This Day In History" segment, McCain was only six when Czogolsz killed President McKinley. But I doubt he'd let the guy host a fundraiser for him.
8:20PM Obama makes me want a cigarette, and not in that nice afterglow way.
I thought tonight's debate was phenomenally boring. I couldn't tell you at all "which one" I thought won or lost. I think McCain did well in some areas but he didn't wow me, and since I can't stand anything that comes out of Obama's mouth, I am not able to objectively assess his performance.
I can tell you what I thought the most egregious moment of the night was. The candidates were asked whether health care is a "privilege, a right, or a responsibility." McCain said it was a responsibility; Obama said it is a right.
Health care is a right.
Do people have just a completely different understanding of what the word "right" means than I do?
You never have the right to someone else's labor or money. And that's what national health care is. If you cannot afford it, you will need to take money from someone else in society to apply it to your health care.
You have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You have the right to free speech, to practice your religion, and to assemble.
As Leonard Peikoff says, you have a "right to action":
Observe that all legitimate rights have one thing in common: they are rights to action, not to rewards from other people. The American rights impose no obligations on other people, merely the negative obligation to leave you alone. The system guarantees you the chance to work for what you want -- not to be given it without effort by somebody else.
The right to life, e.g., does not mean that your neighbors have to feed and clothe you; it means you have the right to earn your food and clothes yourself, if necessary by a hard struggle, and that no one can forcibly stop your struggle for these things or steal them from you if and when you have achieved them. In other words: you have the right to act, and to keep the results of your actions, the products you make, to keep them or to trade them with others, if you wish. But you have no right to the actions or products of others, except on terms to which they voluntarily agree.
The scary thing to me is that Obama came right out and enumerated health care as a right, and that no one will call him on it or argue it. It made my jaw drop.
You know, in every debate, they repeat the same talking points. And we can discuss the nitty gritty of policies, and who will give tax cuts to whom, and whether we need a surge in Afghanistan, but I am far more interested in these little revealing statements. I was blown away when Obama said that we're "spending money on tax cuts," and I'm blown away again tonight to hear that he thinks health care is a right. These are the statements that expose a fundamental difference in worldview between Obama and me.
Obama thinks that Americans have the right to other people's earnings. He believes in redistribution of wealth. I find this remarkably frightening, and all of his policies stem from this worldview.
What I don't understand is how people are undecided. I have to imagine that the undecideds are people who just haven't been paying attention, because the difference in worldview between Republicans and Democrats is staggering.
7:52PM Obama says McCainÂ’s health care plan will give with one hand and take from the other. Which might well be true. ObamaÂ’s plan, however, will give with one hand andÂ… stuff will just appear in it. Really.
And:
7:58PM Obama: Health insurance “is a right.” We our endowed by our Creator with a really sweet no-co-pay plan from Aetna, and maybe some free speech. At least I think that’s what Jefferson wrote.
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You say that we don't have a right to other people's labor, but then how could we have the right to liberty? The labor of the men and women in our military provide for us this right.
Posted by: Kiki at October 07, 2008 07:29 PM (H9dTh)
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Oh, it got me the way he said it, actually, too - "I believe health care _should be_ a right." In other words, "it isn't really, but um, I'd sure like to amass enough power to grant everyone rights I deem proper..."
ARGH.
Kiki - we pay our military; we don't confiscate their labor. It's (more or less) a free-market exchange. At least from where I sit... does that make sense? And I don't see the military as *providing* the right - they/we help ensure that we can all exercise it, but the rights don't come from military protection. They come from the Creator and are inherent in our being.
Posted by: kannie at October 07, 2008 07:50 PM (f+LJo)
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I personally believe that healthcare is a human right. How can one pursue the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if they aren't healthy? Again, just my personal opinion. Oh, but I will read "Healthcare is Not a Right".
Posted by: Tania at October 07, 2008 08:03 PM (ErkFh)
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I don't understand the "undecideds" either. At the risk of sounding snooty, I'll say that I sometimes feel like many Americans don't have a clue what's going on...maybe that's how one arrives at being "undecided" because, in my view, if you're paying attention to what the candidates are saying (and often in Obama's case, not saying) than it's virutally impossible to be "undecided"...isn't it? Of course, I'm constantly irritated by how many people seemed to be bafooned by Obama's "95% of americans are getting a tax cut" malarkey.
Posted by: Nicole at October 07, 2008 10:06 PM (xPxyx)
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That is my problem. I am just wondering how he is going to cut the taxes of the people that don't pay them. That is the one that frustrates me. Obama is playing class warfare. Why should the wealthy get to keep their 700,000 when they already have so much money? I think class warfare is a very dangerous game to play.
Posted by: Tressa at October 08, 2008 04:11 AM (yY6P+)
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The debate was like watching two marshmallows slug it out! But I watched it all. A townhall NOT.
Tom Brokaw as moderator was terrible. They were propped on stools, McCains was too tall for his battered body, but an actual townhall meeting format was missing. BORING.
Posted by: Ruth H at October 08, 2008 04:19 AM (wWMQq)
Posted by: awtm at October 08, 2008 03:27 PM (5wJH6)
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No Nicole, it is not impossible to be informed and undecided. Personally I think both sides suck.
I don't believe either of them because they are politicians.
Posted by: Mare at October 09, 2008 04:38 AM (APbbU)
THE PLEDGE
As we get within a month of the decision, I find myself revisiting Dean Esmay's pledge from 2004.
I tend to hold to a rather odd doctrine myself, which is that partisanship is supposed to stop at the water's edges: we can argue as loudly as we want about domestic policy, but we do our best to speak with one voice once we get past the nation's shores. Old-fashioned and crazy I know, but it's just how I see the world. There was a time in America when if you'd spoken of the Democrat Franklin Roosevelt as a liar, a traitor, and a warmonger during World War II, accused him of engineering the Pearl Harbor attacks, referred to our war over there as "Roosevelt's war" (as a few dipshit Republicans did back then) you might well have gotten yourself a bloody nose even in the most Republican counties in America.
Because debate all you want but, once a decision is made, partisanship should stop at the water's edges. At least so far as I'm concerned.
Now here is my interesting question: I've made myself some friends among conservatives by speaking this way. But I do find myself wondering: how many of you on the right will embrace such a philosophy if John Kerry should carry the election in November?
I don't want to hear why you think it won't happen. Indulge me: pretend it might. How many of you will have the patriotism to say, "I disagree with many of his policy directions, I do not think he is conducting our foreign policy in the right way, but I will do my best to get behind him and support him until elections come around next time?"
I'm genuinely curious. For that is the stance I intend to take. I will refuse to call him traitor, loser, liar, incompetent. He will be my President, my Commander In Chief, the Chief Executive of a great nation, elected by the will of a majority of the electors in these 50 great united States. So even if he does things I disagree with in conducting foreign policy, I will say, "I respectfully disagree with the President's directions, but I will do my best to express my dissent respectfully and hope that I am mistaken and that he has made the proper decisions after all."
That's my pledge. How many of you will take a similar one?
As I face the idea that Barack Obama might become my husband's boss, I wonder if I can uphold the same pledge I made to be respectful to John Kerry. I ought to be able to do it; it's not like Kerry's meeting with the Viet Cong is any less heinous than Obama's relationship with Ayers.
Good heavens, that just gave me pause. Why do the Democrats keep nominating people who consort with the enemies of our country?
Four years removed, I am having a hard time conjuring the gut feelings I had for John Kerry. It feels now like I dislike Obama more than I disliked Kerry back then, but I doubt this is true. Is there really any difference? (Well, the Obamessiah stuff is pretty unsettling.)
I can't promise that if Obama is elected I will like it. However, I will pledge to try to be respectful of the office of the presidency. I can, as MAJ Winters said, "salute the rank, not the man." I will write against Democrat policies, but I pledge that I will never call Obama names or compare him to a chimp, as classless people have done for the last eight years.
But really, it makes me sick to think I might have to do this.
P.S. This pledge in no way prevents me from laughing at stuff like this.
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Name calling just makes the person calling the name look stupid. I make every effort to try and be respectful to the office, even if I can't stand the person.
No "Barry" from me, even now. I don't call him "Ears" either.
And for the love of God I don't go around telling other people how stupid their governments are when I first meet them like we've both experienced, Sarah. Even if I think they are.
Posted by: airforcewife at October 07, 2008 04:37 AM (mIbWn)
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People aren't their governments. The opposite can backfire, too. What if you praise their government, only to find out they hate it?
Let's suppose it's the 30s. You run into someone from the Soviet Union. You know nothing else about this person. Do you praise Stalin, or condemn him? I would do neither. There's no way to know if that person is a sympathizer or a dissident. Just stick to business, at least at first.
I've met with and worked alongside people from many countries, and I'm glad that none have ever told me how stupid my government was when they first met me (or even afterward!). I never said anything about their governments either.
Posted by: Amritas at October 07, 2008 05:50 AM (+nV09)
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I have to be honest: if he's elected, I'm going to need to abide by the, "if you can't say anything nice..." doctrine - out of principle and necessity. (PC police... ;-)
Of course, if he happens to do something I think is in the *right* direction, I'll give him credit. (Although, granted, I might miss it from trying not to look too closely as a rule...)
And yes, I prefer to stay on a personal level - even with people in my own country - except where political exchange is specifically appropriate. I really do care more about how individuals are doing than what governs their political philosophy; and for some of them, I'm doing us both a favor by not giving them a reason to think I'm evil (you know - since I'm "one of those hateful conservatives")... LOL.
Posted by: kannie at October 07, 2008 07:34 AM (f+LJo)
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"But really, it makes me sick to think I might have to do this."
Let's wait before we have to go down this road. But I do agree, just can't bring myself to talk about the possibilty of it all. Besides, there's a reason we hold elections, if polls were worth anything it would have been Pres. Gore/Kerry.
Posted by: tim at October 07, 2008 07:42 AM (nno0f)
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I'm having a very hard time with this concept. I could have handled a John Kerry victory much better than an Obama victory. For one thing I think there will be, or has been, far more illegal activity in registering voters in this election. I know from a daughter in law who was a caucus person for Hillary here in Texas that there were shenanigans there. Althouse had some talk of that in the Austin area from her son, my DIL in Austin is an Obama supporter so she saw nothing wrong with what happened. NOT GOOD. So I will have a hard time feeling this is actually my president, my CIC, much like some of the Democrats apparently felt in 2000, although they were proven wrong they have never admitted to it
and have been like an angry hive of bees since.
Posted by: Ruth H at October 07, 2008 08:59 AM (wWMQq)
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I'm with Tim. I had the same thought earlier
today about those 'exit polls' last time.
Let's just wait and see before giving up the ship.
Yes,I agree that the high road needs to be taken
with regard to Senator Obama. Liberals claim that
they are the party or peace,love and understanding
but it's a lie.
Republicans are far more tolerant.
The Slate had a marvelous article on it some 4
years ago.
Posted by: MaryIndiana at October 07, 2008 10:14 AM (SRyvm)
THE RICH
Lest anyone continue to say that the Republicans are the party of the rich...
Soros, Lewis, and the Sandlers form a core group of billionaire activists and Democrat partisans who have formed a group called The Democracy Alliance. They realized that they could magnify their power by working in unison and tapping other wealthy donors to further their agenda (the superb Boston Globe article “Follow the money” is a good primer on how money and 527 groups have come together to have a huge impact on politics in America).
The Democracy Alliance is a major avenue to help them achieve their goals. The roster of its growing membership consists of a list of billionaires and mere multi-millionaires who collectively hope to give upwards of 500 million dollars each year to further promote a left-wing agenda.
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AN HONOR
My friend Amritas' website is waaay above my level. Both my husband and I have said that if anyone thinks we're smart, they should meet this guy. And it is so flattering that such an intelligent man reads my dopey little blog.
Amritas honors my blogoversary with a Tangut of my name. I think he's my longest-running blog friend.
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I'm blocked from posting a link to a photo gallery of the lost Tangut city. The photos can be found by Googling "Mongol ghost city dehydrated and sacked by Ming armies".
"Mongol" is misleading; the city was conquered by the Mongols, but it was the Tangut in the city who stocked the secret library around the end of the 14th century.
"These materials ... represent their message to posterity. They wanted us to know what really brought their state to an end."
- Ksenia Kepping
http://www.kepping.net/pdfs/works/Guanyin_Icon.pdf
Posted by: Amritas at October 06, 2008 11:05 PM (HWSu7)
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This is totally cool! I was a linguistics major not *too* long ago... and this sort of thing is just thrilling to me! Thanks for the broad scope of interests here!!! :-)
Posted by: kannie at October 07, 2008 12:13 PM (f+LJo)
WHEN WE LEFT EARTH
I've been watching and thoroughly enjoying When We Left Earth. I didn't know as much about Mercury and Gemini as I do about Apollo, and I know hardly anything about the subsequent missions. It's been wonderful to see the original footage and relive those Apollo moments.
There are a couple tidbits I did learn that have made me smile. First, I didn't know that the LM on Apollo 10 was sent to orbit the moon without enough fuel to power itself off the moon. The men in charge of the space program knew that if they sent astronauts that close to the moon with the means to land, they would certainly land! To prevent them from jumping ahead in the program, they didn't give them enough gas to leave. And the crew joked that they totally would've tried to land on the moon if they'd been able to.
Second, Neil Armstrong left the LM a full 15 minutes before Buzz Aldrin did. You think that was the longest 15 minutes of anyone's life? Heh. Can you imagine sitting on the moon, waiting your turn?
I always am fascinated by the what-ifs of the space program. What if Ed White's first EVA had failed and he floated away from his Gemini shuttle? What if Apollo 8 failed to break the orbit of the moon and the crew was left to circle the moon for eternity? What if the LM of Apollo 11 crashed and Armstrong and Aldrin had to slowly die on the moon? Would there be a rescue mission to retrieve their bodies? So many what-ifs, and such a marriage of good furtune plus hard work to make it all a success.
I am looking forward to watching the final installment of the show to learn about the more recent missions.
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
There are so many great writers out there; I am always sad when I "remember" a blogger I haven't read in a while. I've been back on the du Toits lately because of the gun thing, and I just found this new post at The Mrs' site: Fight or Flee. It is full of ideas that felt comfortable but simultaneously felt completely new, things I've never thought about before but which made me nod my head. It gave me a lot to think about.
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NERDS
When I was subbing in the high school in Germany, a girl complained to me that she wanted to go to the homecoming dance but was afraid that she would only get an invitation from a nerd. I had to school her on how the high school nerd can go on to be a great catch.
I was reminded of this when I was flipping channels yesterday and saw the movie Can't Buy Me Love, which I liked when I was a young teen. In the movie, the school nerd pays the head cheerleader to go out with him and make him popular. Do you know who that nerd was?
McDreamy.
Seriously. The actor who played a nerd in the 80's is now a hot doctor on TV. And who typified the 80's nerd?
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I married a former nerd. He was still a nerd when we started dating in school.
Now, at 33, he's super-cool, with a neat job and a slick sense of humor. Oh, and he's filled out now and is totally hawt.
And the best part? I loved him when he was a nerd, so he's totally devoted to me! YAY for nerds!!!
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Live and act within the limit of your knowledge and keep expanding it to the limit of your life.
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First, go buy a six pack and swig it all down. Then, watch Ace Ventura. And after that, buy a Hard Rock Cafe shirt and come talk to me. You really need to lighten up, man.
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I am not willing to kill a man so that he will agree with my faith, but I am prepared to kill a man so that he cannot force my compatriots to submit to his.
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--Varifrank--
In a perfect world, We'd live in peace and love and harmony with each oither and the world, but then, in a perfect world, Yoko would have taken the bullet.
--SarahBellum--
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. --Ronald Reagan--
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Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse. --Mark Twain--
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The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
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A man or a nation is not placed upon this earth to do merely what is pleasant and what is profitable. It is often called upon to carry out what is both unpleasant and unprofitable, but if it is obviously right it is mere shirking not to undertake it. --Arthur Conan Doyle--
A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself. --John Stuart Mill--
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There are more instances of the abridgment of freedoms
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It is in the heat of emotion that good people must remember to stand on principle. --Larry Elder--
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